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== Notes ==
== Notes ==


A decent audience recording. This source is thought to be a second-generation analog copy and is an upgrade in sound quality to prior available versions. Here are '''Ryan''''s notes regarding acquisition and preservation of this recording:
A decent sounding audience recording. The right channel has occasional distortion and the recording is hissy overall. There is a tape flip about a minute in to [[Clean]] resulting in about 40 seconds of missing music, but otherwise this seems to be a complete recording.


<blockquote>
This recording is sourced from bootleg cassettes from the Pud Records label, and in particular these are the "original" tapes which originally sold on an eBay auction for over $400.
A month or so ago, there was this cassette listing of the Detroit 6-29-1990 show from Pud Records. I had never seen it before and I am sort of familiar with Pud Record bootlegs because of some Nine Inch Nails tapes I got from around that time. I assume that this person lived in the Cleveland/Detroit area and would sell these cassettes at a local record shop in Cleveland and list them as 'imports' in order to be able to sell them in the record store. As they said they were produced in Germany. But many of the recordings from Pud were of shows in Cleveland. This was the first time seeing these cassettes and the quality is usually pretty good on them. I was hoping to get the cassettes but the bids went over $400 for the pair of tapes. Which is insane. The other person who bid on them probably knew the same thing I did. (So if you are reading this, I'd love the better copy for transfer!)


I messaged the seller to see if I could just get digital copies of them. But said the best they could do is give me cassette copies. Which is kinda wild for it being 2024. If you're selling these. You must know how a digital transfer works. But anyways, these tapes came in the mail and I was pretty delighted to hear the quality on it. Although it's not amazing. It's better than what is out there circulating at the moment. It is definitely better than the copy that the wiki has right now. Better sound, a bit clearer. I sped up the tape by 4.5% as it did have some slowing issues. Tape flip comes during Clean. Also, there is no terrible humming in the last few songs like the copy on the wiki at this time. We can all agree that the previous copy out there was just due to a pretty poor transfer. One other thing about these tapes is there is a bit of distortion during the crowd cheering. Which I assume happened on the cassette dub. So again, getting the original cassettes would be beneficial. So overall, I would suspect this to be a 2nd generation cassette tape.
'''Ryan''' at [https://ninlive.com NINLive] had previously shared a one-generation higher cassette copy he purchased from the same eBay seller earlier this year, but a couple of weeks ago, Grace at the Rush Archives reached out with this transfer from the presumed first-generation tapes from the eBay auction.


Glad to see these pop up. I remember when I first started collecting that someone said they had the master tapes and gave me them. Only to find out this person really had no idea what they were talking about and they were just terrible copies of this and a mislabeled date. But hey, I was 15 years old. I had no idea and I was just very very excited to see a Depeche Mode tape from Detroit.
Compared to Ryan's higher-generation copy, this recording has more clarity and perhaps a bit less distortion.


I know of someone who actually taped these shows with a D6. But I have still yet to get it from them, as like many, are disorganized due to the fact they have such a huge collection. Maybe one day. Anyways enjoy the tape. As this is Depeche's best tour, it's amazing how loud the crowd is.  
A recording of the opening act Nitzer Ebb is also on these tapes, and the lower-generation audio will be shared on [http://www.dimeadozen.org/ DIME].


Also included on these tapes was Nitzer Ebb's opening set.
Many thanks to '''Grace''' and '''By-Tor X-1''' at the [https://rush-archives.net/ Rush Archives] for acquiring, transferring, and sharing these tapes with care and excellent high-end equipment.
 
*If you have unreleased Nine Inch Nails recordings, please visit me (Ryan) at NINLive.com.
*If you have unreleased Rage Against the Machine recordings, please visit TJ at RATM.Live.
*If you have unreleased Linkin Park recordings, please visit Mark at LPLive.net.
*If you have unreleased Depeche Mode recordings, please visit Matt @ dmlive.wiki.
</blockquote>
 
The [http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=770971 original file set shared on Dimeadozen] included a recording of the opening act, Nitzer Ebb, but that audio is not represented on the wiki.
 
Both the original high-resolution 24-bit, 48KHz fileset and a downsampled version in 16-bit, 44.1KHz are available for download below.
 
Many thanks to '''Ryan''' at '''[https://ninlive.com NINLive]''' for the money, time, and effort spent on acquiring and preserving this source.


== Listen ==
== Listen ==
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You can listen to this entire recording below.
You can listen to this entire recording below.


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== Track list ==
== Track list ==


#[3:40] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/01.m4a</sm2> [[Kaleid]]
#[3:38] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/01.m4a</sm2> [[Kaleid]]
#[5:20] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/02.m4a</sm2> [[World In My Eyes]]
#[5:17] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/02.m4a</sm2> [[World In My Eyes]]
#[4:42] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/03.m4a</sm2> [[Halo]]
#[4:40] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/03.m4a</sm2> [[Halo]]
#[5:17] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/04.m4a</sm2> [[Shake The Disease]]
#[5:15] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/04.m4a</sm2> [[Shake The Disease]]
#[6:07] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/05.m4a</sm2> [[Everything Counts]]
#[6:04] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/05.m4a</sm2> [[Everything Counts]]
#[3:59] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/06.m4a</sm2> [[Master And Servant]]
#[3:58] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/06.m4a</sm2> [[Master And Servant]]
#[7:01] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/07.m4a</sm2> [[Never Let Me Down Again]]
#[6:57] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/07.m4a</sm2> [[Never Let Me Down Again]]
#[6:07] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/08.m4a</sm2> [[Waiting For The Night]]
#[6:02] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/08.m4a</sm2> [[Waiting For The Night]]
#[4:19] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/09.m4a</sm2> [[Here Is The House]] {{tt|(*)|Vocals by Martin Gore}}
#[4:19] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/09.m4a</sm2> [[Here Is The House]] {{tt|(*)|Vocals by Martin Gore}}
#[3:46] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/10.m4a</sm2> [[Sweetest Perfection]] {{tt|(*)|Vocals by Martin Gore}}
#[3:36] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/10.m4a</sm2> [[Sweetest Perfection]] {{tt|(*)|Vocals by Martin Gore}}
#[5:19] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/11.m4a</sm2> [[Clean]]
#[5:27] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/11.m4a</sm2> [[Clean]]
#[6:33] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/12.m4a</sm2> [[Stripped]]
#[6:28] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/12.m4a</sm2> [[Stripped]]
#[5:07] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/13.m4a</sm2> [[Policy Of Truth]]
#[5:04] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/13.m4a</sm2> [[Policy Of Truth]]
#[7:54] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/14.m4a</sm2> [[Enjoy The Silence]]
#[7:49] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/14.m4a</sm2> [[Enjoy The Silence]]
#[4:54] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/15.m4a</sm2> [[Strangelove]]
#[4:51] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/15.m4a</sm2> [[Strangelove]]
#[9:22] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/16.m4a</sm2> [[Personal Jesus]]
#[9:17] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/16.m4a</sm2> [[Personal Jesus]]
#[4:43] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/17.m4a</sm2> [[Black Celebration]]
#[4:42] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/17.m4a</sm2> [[Black Celebration]]
#[7:51] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/18.m4a</sm2> [[A Question Of Time]]
#[7:52] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/18.m4a</sm2> [[A Question Of Time]]
#[5:28] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/19.m4a</sm2> [[Behind The Wheel]]
#[5:26] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/19.m4a</sm2> [[Behind The Wheel]]
#[6:09] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448/20.m4a</sm2> [[Route 66]]
#[6:08] <sm2>https://media.dmlive.wiki/stream/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644/20.m4a</sm2> [[Route 66]]
*Total time: 1:53:38
*Total time: 1:52:50


== Lineage ==
== Lineage ==


*Master (?) -> Pud Records Cassettes -> Pioneer Elite Cassette Deck -> Cassettes -> Nakamichi CR-3 -> Native Instruments Komplete 6 -> Audition (24/48) -> Fission (track) -> xACT -> FLAC level 8
*unknown taper and equipment -> master cassettes? -> 1st gen? TDK SA 100 & SA 90 type II cassettes -> Nakamichi DR-1 (with manual azimuth adjustment) -> Roland RCA cables -> Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi HD -> Dark Audacity -> FLAC level 6 24-bit 96khz stereo -> in Audacity 3.5.1: speed correction, stereo channel phase alignment, trims, level adjustments, normalization, track splits -> WAV files (24/96) -> FLAC level 8 (16/44) using foobar2000 v2.1.5, FLAC 1.4.3 64-bit, and foobar2000's Resampler (SoX) component at "Best" quality, dithering enabled
*Transfer: '''Ryan''' at '''[https://ninlive.com NINLive]'''
*Transfer: '''By-Tor X-1''' ([https://rush-archives.net/ Rush Archives])
*Generation: believed to be a second generation copy
*Cassette photos and auCDtectTaskManager log included
*Original info file and cassette photos included


== Download ==
== Download ==


*[https://media.dmlive.wiki/downloads/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac1644.zip Download ZIP] - FLAC 16-bit 44.1KHz - 699MB
*[https://media.dmlive.wiki/downloads/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.1.flac1644.zip Download ZIP] - FLAC 16-bit 44.1KHz - 707.57MB
*[https://media.dmlive.wiki/downloads/dm1990-06-29.aud.PudRecords.2.flac2448.zip Download ZIP] - FLAC 24-bit 48KHz - 1.34GB


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Latest revision as of 18:02, 22 June 2024

Notes

A decent sounding audience recording. The right channel has occasional distortion and the recording is hissy overall. There is a tape flip about a minute in to Clean resulting in about 40 seconds of missing music, but otherwise this seems to be a complete recording.

This recording is sourced from bootleg cassettes from the Pud Records label, and in particular these are the "original" tapes which originally sold on an eBay auction for over $400.

Ryan at NINLive had previously shared a one-generation higher cassette copy he purchased from the same eBay seller earlier this year, but a couple of weeks ago, Grace at the Rush Archives reached out with this transfer from the presumed first-generation tapes from the eBay auction.

Compared to Ryan's higher-generation copy, this recording has more clarity and perhaps a bit less distortion.

A recording of the opening act Nitzer Ebb is also on these tapes, and the lower-generation audio will be shared on DIME.

Many thanks to Grace and By-Tor X-1 at the Rush Archives for acquiring, transferring, and sharing these tapes with care and excellent high-end equipment.

Listen

You can listen to this entire recording below.

Track list

  1. [3:38] Play Kaleid
  2. [5:17] Play World In My Eyes
  3. [4:40] Play Halo
  4. [5:15] Play Shake The Disease
  5. [6:04] Play Everything Counts
  6. [3:58] Play Master And Servant
  7. [6:57] Play Never Let Me Down Again
  8. [6:02] Play Waiting For The Night
  9. [4:19] Play Here Is The House (*)
  10. [3:36] Play Sweetest Perfection (*)
  11. [5:27] Play Clean
  12. [6:28] Play Stripped
  13. [5:04] Play Policy Of Truth
  14. [7:49] Play Enjoy The Silence
  15. [4:51] Play Strangelove
  16. [9:17] Play Personal Jesus
  17. [4:42] Play Black Celebration
  18. [7:52] Play A Question Of Time
  19. [5:26] Play Behind The Wheel
  20. [6:08] Play Route 66
  • Total time: 1:52:50

Lineage

  • unknown taper and equipment -> master cassettes? -> 1st gen? TDK SA 100 & SA 90 type II cassettes -> Nakamichi DR-1 (with manual azimuth adjustment) -> Roland RCA cables -> Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi HD -> Dark Audacity -> FLAC level 6 24-bit 96khz stereo -> in Audacity 3.5.1: speed correction, stereo channel phase alignment, trims, level adjustments, normalization, track splits -> WAV files (24/96) -> FLAC level 8 (16/44) using foobar2000 v2.1.5, FLAC 1.4.3 64-bit, and foobar2000's Resampler (SoX) component at "Best" quality, dithering enabled
  • Transfer: By-Tor X-1 (Rush Archives)
  • Cassette photos and auCDtectTaskManager log included

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