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While it is true that the [[1980-09-20 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK]] concert had three out of six mentioned tracks performed, [[Addiction]], [[Just Can't Get Enough]], and especially [[I Like It]] are too significant of outliers to qualify 1980-09-20 Crocs as a potential candidate for what's on Robin's tape, as the first two were not performed until November 1980 and [[I Like It]] not until February 1982. | While it is true that the [[1980-09-20 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK]] concert had three out of six mentioned tracks performed, [[Addiction]], [[Just Can't Get Enough]], and especially [[I Like It]] are too significant of outliers to qualify 1980-09-20 Crocs as a potential candidate for what's on Robin's tape, as the first two were not performed until November 1980 and [[I Like It]] not until February 1982. | ||
Since [[Tomorrow's Dance]] and [[Reason Man]] seem to have been dropped from the usual set list by [[1980-11-14 Technical College, Southend-On-Sea, Essex, England, UK]], the probability of those tracks having been performed at a single concert along with [[Addiction]] seems slim, especially when the band was already playing tracks which were quite popular with fans of the time such as [[Ice Machine]] and [[Tora! Tora! Tora!]] which would be a better decision to play instead of the earlier tracks. There is an extremely slim chance that this recording is from November | Since [[Tomorrow's Dance]] and [[Reason Man]] seem to have been dropped from the usual set list by [[1980-11-14 Technical College, Southend-On-Sea, Essex, England, UK]], the probability of those tracks having been performed at a single concert along with [[Addiction]] seems slim, especially when the band was already playing tracks which were quite popular with fans of the time such as [[Ice Machine]] and [[Tora! Tora! Tora!]] which would be a better decision to play instead of the earlier tracks. There is an extremely slim chance that this recording is from November 1980, and since [[Addiction]] is said to have been played on Robin's recording, there is no chance of this being an earlier Crocs concert either! | ||
Given the mention of [[Addiction]] having been part of Robin's live recording, that leaves only the possibilities of [[1980-11-08 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK]] (if we give Daryl's memory a bit of lee-way and the track was actually premiered earlier than [[1980-11-14 Technical College, Southend-On-Sea, Essex, England, UK]] as was mentioned in his quote above), or [[1980-11-29 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK]]. | Given the mention of [[Addiction]] having been part of Robin's live recording, that leaves only the possibilities of [[1980-11-08 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK]] (if we give Daryl's memory a bit of lee-way and the track was actually premiered earlier than [[1980-11-14 Technical College, Southend-On-Sea, Essex, England, UK]] as was mentioned in his quote above), or [[1980-11-29 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK]]. | ||
Revision as of 19:26, 30 November 2016
On September 28, 2016, a news article appeared on West Briton (now Cornwall Live)[1] regarding Robin Neale, a hairdresser from Truro, Cornwall, UK, having unearthed two reel-to-reel tapes containing a demo tape and a live recording of Depeche Mode. In my opinion, unless proven otherwise by Robin or Russell (Robin's brother) that the tapes are legitimate, this is simply a ruse to promote the brothers' hair studio. An analysis of the claims is below.
Demo tape
One is said to be "the real summer 1980 tape", with the following tracklist:
- Radio News
- Addiction (Closer All The Time)
- Tomorrow's Dance
- Reason Man
- I Like It
All tracks are early live-only songs, and all except Radio News have live recordings in circulation already, while Radio News has the demo recording available:
- Radio News has the demo available from the Summer 1980 Demo Tape, and the song was confirmed to have been performed at 1980-09-20 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK but there is no recording available from that concert.
- Addiction was likely premiered at 1980-11-14 Technical College, Southend-On-Sea, Essex, England, UK and a good quality audience recording is available; the song was also confirmed to have been performed at 1980-09-20 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK.
- Tomorrow's Dance has an average audience recording available from 1980-10-30 Bridge House, London, England, UK, which is currently the earliest genuine circulating recording of Depeche Mode, and was also confirmed to have been performed at 1980-09-20 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK.
- Reason Man is also available as an audience recording from 1980-10-30 Bridge House, London, England, UK, and was also confirmed to have been performed at 1980-09-20 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK.
- I Like It was not performed live until the 1982 "See You" Tour as the final track of a concert (though not at every concert), and a demo was never produced according to Daryl Bamonte (see right).
According to the news article, the tape also contains Ice Machine, Radio News, and Photographic from the Summer 1980 Demo Tape.[1]
Live recording
The other tape is said to be a live recording from one of Depeche Mode's concerts at Crocs Nightclub in Rayleigh, some time in 1980. According to the article:[1]
As well as featuring a very basic version of later hit Just Can't Get Enough, the set includes early live songs such as Addiction, Tomorrow's Dance, Reason Man, Television Set and even a cover version of Gerry And The Pacemakers' I Like It.
To the best of our knowledge, Just Can't Get Enough was not played live until November 1980. As mentioned above, I Like It was never performed live until the 1982 "See You" Tour. The other live tracks already have recordings available. The majority of the Crocs concerts during the 1980 Tour occurred earlier than the earliest concert with a recording, 1980-10-30 Bridge House, London, England, UK, and inferring from the known setlist of 1980-09-20 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK, other yet-unheard live-only songs seem more likely to have been performed than the ones already in circulation.
For reference, Depeche Mode performed at Crocs at the following dates in 1980:
- 1980-08-16 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK
- 1980-08-30 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK
- 1980-09-20 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK
- 1980-10-11 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK
- 1980-10-25 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK
- 1980-11-08 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK
- 1980-11-29 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK
Only 1980-09-20 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK has a known set list, reprinted below:
- Television Set
- Photographic
- Tomorrow's Dance
- The Price Of Love
- Reason Man
- And Then I Kissed Her
- Big Muff
- Ice Machine
- Radio News
- Dreaming Of Me
While it is true that the 1980-09-20 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK concert had three out of six mentioned tracks performed, Addiction, Just Can't Get Enough, and especially I Like It are too significant of outliers to qualify 1980-09-20 Crocs as a potential candidate for what's on Robin's tape, as the first two were not performed until November 1980 and I Like It not until February 1982.
Since Tomorrow's Dance and Reason Man seem to have been dropped from the usual set list by 1980-11-14 Technical College, Southend-On-Sea, Essex, England, UK, the probability of those tracks having been performed at a single concert along with Addiction seems slim, especially when the band was already playing tracks which were quite popular with fans of the time such as Ice Machine and Tora! Tora! Tora! which would be a better decision to play instead of the earlier tracks. There is an extremely slim chance that this recording is from November 1980, and since Addiction is said to have been played on Robin's recording, there is no chance of this being an earlier Crocs concert either!
Given the mention of Addiction having been part of Robin's live recording, that leaves only the possibilities of 1980-11-08 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK (if we give Daryl's memory a bit of lee-way and the track was actually premiered earlier than 1980-11-14 Technical College, Southend-On-Sea, Essex, England, UK as was mentioned in his quote above), or 1980-11-29 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK.
The fact that the recordings are on reel-to-reel is also somewhat unusual. Demo tapes were typically distributed on cassette due to easy portability and ease of playback by the labels. The live recording could have been recorded on reel by the Crocs sound engineer; Depeche Mode's later performance at 1981-06-27 Crocs, Rayleigh, Essex, England, UK was recorded from the mixing desk, but the recording memorandum is not specific as to whether the original source was a reel-to-reel tape or cassette tape (see right).
Robin Neale was quoted in the article:[1]
"My brother Russell and I were, and still are, friends of Depeche Mode. Not only that but in 1980 we were apprentice hairdressers and used to do the band's hair in the toilets of Crocs. Not very glamorous compared with the dressing rooms at Madison Square Gardens and arenas where they play now.
"One evening during the band's performance the DJ at Crocs recorded the band's performance through a mixing desk and gave the reels to me."
Andrew Fletcher was recently asked about this in a Russian interview with colta.ru on November 28.[2] A Google translated version of the relevant information is below:
Interviewer: A few weeks ago I came across an amusing story about a man who was a barber and the group found in the attic entry with one of the first performances of Depeche Mode.
Fletch: Yes, I read about it. Frankly, I do not remember this guy. And this record, I did not hear. Until I hear - I can not say whether it's true or duck.
Interviewer: But it could be true?
Fletch: Yes. Fans were recording our shows since the very first years of the group. I think that a lot of records.
While this doesn't disprove Robin's claim of the tapes, the fact that Fletch doesn't remember him is troubling. It stands to reason that Fletch likely brought up this article to Martin and Dave, so if one of them remembered Robin or Russell, then Fletch would've said so.
Attempts to contact
I attempted to contact Robin Neale via Facebook message several days before the article on Cornwall Live appeared, as he had posted some photos of the reels as well as the demo tape image at the top of the page to his Facebook wall. I received no response to date. I then attempted once more after the article had emerged, on September 29, and also had a mutual Facebook friend attempt to message him to ensure that Robin would receive a notification; again, no response. I also tried messaging Russell Neale, Robin's brother, to no avail.
I had a colleague from the UK phone the hair studio, and he was met with only a busy signal. The email address listed on the hair studio's Facebook page is defunct.
Robin was quoted in the article:[1]
"For myself and Russell it's just a bit of history but we are prepared to duplicate for any hardcore devotees."
It seems, thus far, that he is indeed not prepared to share the recordings, despite the fact that they are said in the article to have been transferred to CD:[1]
The tapes discovered by Robin, which he has now transferred to CD and says have excellent sound quality, were recorded a few months later at Crocs nightclub in Raleigh, Essex.
